Taking bets on either m whether Mark Kelly's lawsuit against Trump gets tossed
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Date: January 12th, 2026 2:41 PM
As always you may only take my bet by saying "I'll take that bet." You may not add, delete or modify any words
I have no idea but I'm betting the lawsuit will NOT be tossed. I haven't read the complaint and I don't know who's repping Kelly (I know who's repping Hegseth though, lol)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49583774) |
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Date: January 12th, 2026 2:45 PM
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have you found a link to the complaint?
"Kelly suggested that the Constitution’s Speech or Debate Clause, which shields lawmakers for conduct done as part of their legislative activities, gives him immunity from many of the topics raised in Hegseth’s censure letter — from the possible commission of war crimes to the Defense secretary’s firings of admirals and generals."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49583785) |
Date: January 12th, 2026 2:56 PM
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https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72131361/1/kelly-v-hegseth/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17
i have no expertise in this area but i assume it will be tossed because federal courts will defer to the military process and let Kelly appeal from the outcome if his constitutional rights are infringed.
i have no expertise in the Speech and Debate clause but i cannot imagine it will be interpreted to protect that stupid ass video Kelly did. the clause: "and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."
from the Congressional Research Service:
Less than a decade after Johnson, the Supreme Court issued two decisions on the same day in 1972 that established important limitations on the types of actions that are protected by the Clause. In United States v. Brewster, which involved a Member's challenge to his indictment on a bribery charge, the Court reaffirmed Johnson and clarified that "a Member of Congress may be prosecuted under a criminal statute provided that the Government's case does not rely on legislative acts or the motivation for legislative acts."71 The Court made clear that the Clause does not prohibit inquiry into illegal conduct simply because it is "related" to the legislative process or has a "nexus to legislative functions," but rather, the Clause protects only the legislative acts themselves.72 By adhering to such a limitation, the Court reasoned that the result would be a Clause that was "broad enough to insure the historic independence of the Legislative Branch, essential to our separation of powers, but narrow enough to guard against the excesses of those who would corrupt the process by corrupting its Members."73
Brewster also drew an important distinction between legislative and political acts. The opinion labeled a wide array of constituent services,74 though "entirely legitimate," as "political in nature" rather than legislative.75 As a result, the Court suggested that "it has never been seriously contended that these political matters ... have the protection afforded by the Speech or Debate Clause."76
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49583816) |
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Date: January 12th, 2026 3:03 PM
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me:
https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/b0d685bd9276003f29a92af2fb233943.jpg
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49583836) |
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Date: January 12th, 2026 8:00 PM
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Speech and Debate clause is for real pertinent discussions on the floor, like describing the gangbang you had with your ex-fiancé in detail (including photos)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49584718) |
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Date: January 12th, 2026 8:18 PM
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aren't we talking about that professionally done video? how would that get S/D immunity?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49584784) |
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Date: January 12th, 2026 8:42 PM
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was the vid done inside the Capitol building? seems like if so he could be immune.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49584832) |
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Date: January 12th, 2026 8:56 PM
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AI:
Filming Location: While the precise spot isn't specified in the initial reports, it was filmed in Washington D.C., likely in a professional setting or public area like the Capitol grounds, to project a unified message from lawmakers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49584858)
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Date: January 12th, 2026 3:02 PM Author: joran tindersloot
Has a single poster ever taken one of your retarded “bets”?
Serious question.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5821142&forum_id=2#49583833) |
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