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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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Hairless Den
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
frisky supple toilet seat boistinker
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Duck-like Autistic House Coldplay Fan
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
frisky supple toilet seat boistinker
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Duck-like Autistic House Coldplay Fan
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Duck-like Autistic House Coldplay Fan
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
judgmental ladyboy
  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
Vigorous Organic Girlfriend Party Of The First Part
  06/04/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
frisky supple toilet seat boistinker
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
frisky supple toilet seat boistinker
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
frisky supple toilet seat boistinker
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
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Lascivious hell new version
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
spectacular disturbing pit shitlib
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
Unholy sandwich step-uncle's house
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
Hairless Den
  04/05/26
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jet-lagged naked half-breed set
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
Narrow-minded thirsty hall hairy legs
  04/05/26
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spectacular disturbing pit shitlib
  04/05/26
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Aquamarine Fragrant Whorehouse
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
submissive point
  04/05/26
Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your c...
soul-stirring metal nibblets hospital
  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
low-t orange brunch
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
crimson mind-boggling site
  04/06/26
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Hairless Den
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
jet-lagged naked half-breed set
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
crimson mind-boggling site
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
jet-lagged naked half-breed set
  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
soul-stirring metal nibblets hospital
  06/04/26
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Hairless Den
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut
  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
Hairless Den
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut
  06/04/26
No Goog
laughsome topaz bawdyhouse roommate
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
Vigorous Organic Girlfriend Party Of The First Part
  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut
  06/04/26
Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
Navy adventurous hissy fit elastic band
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut
  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
Navy adventurous hissy fit elastic band
  06/04/26
old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, ...
Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut
  06/04/26
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Hairless Den
  06/04/26


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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Hairless Den



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: frisky supple toilet seat boistinker

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796396)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Hairless Den

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796397)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Duck-like Autistic House Coldplay Fan

He's undoubtedly top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796399)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Hairless Den

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: frisky supple toilet seat boistinker

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796411)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Hairless Den

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Duck-like Autistic House Coldplay Fan

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: Hairless Den

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796432)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Duck-like Autistic House Coldplay Fan

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Hairless Den

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796437)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: judgmental ladyboy

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796451)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: Vigorous Organic Girlfriend Party Of The First Part

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914410)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: frisky supple toilet seat boistinker

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Hairless Den

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: frisky supple toilet seat boistinker

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: Hairless Den

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: frisky supple toilet seat boistinker

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: Hairless Den

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796421)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Lascivious hell new version



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: spectacular disturbing pit shitlib

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796444)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Unholy sandwich step-uncle's house

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Hairless Den

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796448)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: jet-lagged naked half-breed set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49797805)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Narrow-minded thirsty hall hairy legs

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: spectacular disturbing pit shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796561)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: Aquamarine Fragrant Whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49799608)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: submissive point

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796569)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: soul-stirring metal nibblets hospital

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914343)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: low-t orange brunch

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: crimson mind-boggling site

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: Hairless Den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49797818)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: jet-lagged naked half-breed set

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: crimson mind-boggling site

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: jet-lagged naked half-breed set

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: soul-stirring metal nibblets hospital

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914344)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: Hairless Den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914271)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut

do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: Hairless Den

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut

this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914287)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: laughsome topaz bawdyhouse roommate
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914292)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Vigorous Organic Girlfriend Party Of The First Part

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914413)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut

cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914415)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: Navy adventurous hissy fit elastic band

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914393)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut

Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914414)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: Navy adventurous hissy fit elastic band

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49915360)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: Hyperactive Multi-colored Locus Juggernaut

old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49915788)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: Hairless Den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49915541)