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Do essentially all men REGULARLY MASTURBATE?

Excluding the tiny number with some severe issue (i.e., in a...
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
This sounds like flame. Are you telling me that half of men ...
Curious Snowy Menage
  12/03/25
That people can go a whole month without nutting is unbeliev...
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
I can't go more than a day or two
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exciting pink piazza
  12/06/25
i used to do it daily when i was younger but now i do miss a...
Turquoise Genital Piercing Dog Poop
  12/03/25
We are all wankers. When I was in high school my friend's el...
greedy useless brakes
  12/03/25
This is what libs took from us, the real America where 80yo ...
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  12/03/25
You misunderstand. He beat off in private. He was just givin...
greedy useless brakes
  12/03/25
its sad, really
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  12/04/25
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  12/04/25
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  12/03/25
You've dropped that anecdote here before and it's great
crimson cowardly station hominid
  12/03/25
I remember. Just thought it needed refreshing for those who ...
greedy useless brakes
  12/03/25
xo newcomers are also what libs took from us
Laughsome milky garrison
  12/04/25
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  12/08/25
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  12/06/25
ty gonna use this if i make it another few decades
swashbuckling volcanic crater internal respiration
  12/03/25
i think guys don't beat off as much as they get older lik...
talented candlestick maker senate
  12/03/25
Why? At 50 almost all guys regularly crave orgasm?
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
i'm not anywhere near 50 yet but i definitely don't beat off...
talented candlestick maker senate
  12/03/25
are you fat or diabetic?
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
no just Old (late 30s)
talented candlestick maker senate
  12/03/25
You're actually young for this site.
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
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Chest-beating mauve selfie
  12/03/25
Happy 43rd birthday ! 🎉
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exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
Do you still trim/shave your pubes? just curious
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
only when i'm Having Sex are you a Woman? no Male would e...
talented candlestick maker senate
  12/03/25
no, but why would no male ask?
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
I'm in my late 40's, and I still jerk off almost daily. It u...
Curious Snowy Menage
  12/03/25
Yea, I think in most studies the majority of guys just reall...
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
I'm over 40 and shoot ropes into tissues at least once a day...
Lascivious Stage
  12/03/25
need doodikoff's opinion on this
ivory sickened kitty
  12/03/25
Men and women
Sepia Hospital
  12/03/25
Apparently there are many men who say they don't.
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
IME some do.
grizzly den prole
  12/03/25
describe your experience
Slap-happy rusted persian address
  12/03/25
Decent anmount of guys i know masturbate with some regularit...
grizzly den prole
  12/03/25
How often?
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
varies from guy to guy.
grizzly den prole
  12/05/25
nobody ITT has asked for a def of regularly. this used to be...
sadistic meetinghouse
  12/03/25
How should we define these? Once a month seems very infrequ...
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
once a week doesnt seem like "regular" to me. seem...
sadistic meetinghouse
  12/03/25
what if you regularly do it once per week though?
lemon alcoholic messiness
  12/03/25
I agree, once a week has to be the absolute bare minimum for...
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
even once per week is pushing it
lemon alcoholic messiness
  12/03/25
What do you think is a better number?
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
I feel like my dad really doesn’t. He seems Ascended ...
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  12/03/25
Once in college I went like 2 weeks without nutting and ende...
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talented candlestick maker senate
  12/03/25
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honey-headed high-end institution
  12/06/25
how do i stop this its consuming my life
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  12/03/25
No idea. If you're a porn watcher, stopping that is a goo...
Cruel-hearted Toilet Seat
  12/03/25
I went onto nofap over 8 years ago. It's been great. All k...
Concupiscible Nursing Home Mood
  12/03/25
I suspect that everyone who claims to do nofap is lying.
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
exactly. Its not possible and possibly bad for you
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  12/04/25
Do you watch porn or use imagination? I think the rise of A...
exciting pink piazza
  12/04/25
yeah especially after marriage
carmine outnumbered national
  12/03/25
Wouldn't it be the opposite?
exciting pink piazza
  12/03/25
lol ok junior
carmine outnumbered national
  12/04/25
Ok, I may be an idiot but I'm going to need you to explain t...
exciting pink piazza
  12/05/25
it's like fucking a man in the ass - you can explain until t...
carmine outnumbered national
  12/05/25
Well, you can stop fucking a man in the ass if you decide yo...
exciting pink piazza
  12/08/25
...
swashbuckling volcanic crater internal respiration
  12/03/25
It wanes a bit when the intensity of the orgasm wanes.
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  12/05/25
if you don't, you get cancer
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Do you think this is really true? The studies maxed out at ...
exciting pink piazza
  12/06/25
the studies do seem to suggest there is some benefit emptyin...
swashbuckling volcanic crater internal respiration
  12/08/25
if i go a week+ without nutting my jizz will be yellowed and...
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When I was a kid I listened to Howard Stern and he complaine...
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:27 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Excluding the tiny number with some severe issue (i.e., in a coma, etc.), how common is it for a bro to just not spank it at least every now and then? According to chatgpt, there is a "consistent minority that simply don't" and about half haven't done it in a month. Lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479891)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:57 PM
Author: Curious Snowy Menage

This sounds like flame. Are you telling me that half of men can do NNN without even trying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480247)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:23 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

That people can go a whole month without nutting is unbelievable to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480357)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: Excitant sound barrier stag film

I can't go more than a day or two

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49481351)



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Date: December 6th, 2025 6:40 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49489502)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:28 PM
Author: Turquoise Genital Piercing Dog Poop

i used to do it daily when i was younger but now i do miss a day here or there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479897)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:28 PM
Author: greedy useless brakes

We are all wankers. When I was in high school my friend's elderly father, who looked like a turtle, told us, "Boys, every New Year's Day I take out my meat and if I can still beat I know I'll make it another year." P.S. He had 13 kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479898)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:35 PM
Author: Sooty supple casino voyeur

This is what libs took from us, the real America where 80yo old birdshits beat off in front of their grown sons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479945)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:36 PM
Author: greedy useless brakes

You misunderstand. He beat off in private. He was just giving us advice for the future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479952)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Laughsome milky garrison

its sad, really

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49483727)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Marvelous native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49483728)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:44 PM
Author: wonderful violent bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479978)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: crimson cowardly station hominid

You've dropped that anecdote here before and it's great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479998)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 11:44 PM
Author: greedy useless brakes

I remember. Just thought it needed refreshing for those who missed. I can't say newcomers because we don't have any.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49482386)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Laughsome milky garrison

xo newcomers are also what libs took from us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49483731)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:26 PM
Author: passionate khaki scourge upon the earth locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49495541)



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Date: December 6th, 2025 1:44 PM
Author: Azure crawly reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49488712)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 10:59 PM
Author: swashbuckling volcanic crater internal respiration

ty gonna use this if i make it another few decades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49482287)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:28 PM
Author: talented candlestick maker senate

i think guys don't beat off as much as they get older

like the idea of a 50 year old guy jerking it to videos of women more than once a week is pretty absurd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479900)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Why? At 50 almost all guys regularly crave orgasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479918)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:34 PM
Author: talented candlestick maker senate

i'm not anywhere near 50 yet but i definitely don't beat off or chase pussy as much as i did at 20 years old and in my experience other guys don't either

your T goes down and also you just don't care about sexual release as much because you have other stuff going on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479934)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

are you fat or diabetic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479974)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:45 PM
Author: talented candlestick maker senate

no just Old (late 30s)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479981)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:45 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

You're actually young for this site.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479984)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:48 PM
Author: Chest-beating mauve selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479991)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:00 PM
Author: mildly autistic newt plaza

Happy 43rd birthday ! 🎉

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480046)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Chest-beating mauve selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480144)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:31 PM
Author: cordovan cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480396)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 10:57 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49482284)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Do you still trim/shave your pubes? just curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480137)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: talented candlestick maker senate

only when i'm Having Sex

are you a Woman? no Male would ever ask this question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480160)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

no, but why would no male ask?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480192)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:56 PM
Author: Curious Snowy Menage

I'm in my late 40's, and I still jerk off almost daily. It used to be every day (sometimes multiple times per day) without fail. Now sometimes I fall asleep without wanking. Sometimes it even happens more than one night in a row. But if I go more than a couple days, I start to get horny, and I need to nut. I'm doubtful that this will change drastically as I hit 50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480246)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:14 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Yea, I think in most studies the majority of guys just really understate their frequency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480299)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: Lascivious Stage

I'm over 40 and shoot ropes into tissues at least once a day, sometimes more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49482390)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:33 PM
Author: ivory sickened kitty

need doodikoff's opinion on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479931)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:35 PM
Author: Sepia Hospital

Men and women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479946)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:38 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Apparently there are many men who say they don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479957)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:44 PM
Author: grizzly den prole

IME some do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479980)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:14 PM
Author: Slap-happy rusted persian address

describe your experience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480111)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:33 PM
Author: grizzly den prole

Decent anmount of guys i know masturbate with some regularity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480401)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 3:11 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

How often?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480538)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 6:15 PM
Author: grizzly den prole

varies from guy to guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49487094)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:46 PM
Author: sadistic meetinghouse

nobody ITT has asked for a def of regularly. this used to be a law boart. regularly is a hopelessly vague and ambiguous term, and this thread is retarded.

OP further retardedly uses the similarly imprecise phrase, "every now and then"

xo 2025

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479987)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

How should we define these? Once a month seems very infrequent for most men, but I think that may be a reasonable cutoff to include current masturbators. or should we do once a week?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49479997)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:58 PM
Author: sadistic meetinghouse

once a week doesnt seem like "regular" to me. seems more "from time to time" than regular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480038)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:17 PM
Author: lemon alcoholic messiness

what if you regularly do it once per week though?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480124)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:20 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

I agree, once a week has to be the absolute bare minimum for most guys. I don't believe most guys could stand that little masturbation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480134)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: lemon alcoholic messiness

even once per week is pushing it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480142)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:31 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

What do you think is a better number?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480181)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: hideous location toaster

I feel like my dad really doesn’t. He seems Ascended imo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480250)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: cordovan cuckold

Once in college I went like 2 weeks without nutting and ended up fucking a pretty fat mexican chick whose boyfriend was a legit gang member. I got her number in front of him too. He later sent me pics of himself holding guns on facebook. I wasn't even horny at that point it was like I was hungry for pussy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480382)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 3:20 PM
Author: talented candlestick maker senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480573)



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Date: December 6th, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: honey-headed high-end institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49488728)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: purple field boltzmann

how do i stop this its consuming my life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480389)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 7:16 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted Toilet Seat

No idea.

If you're a porn watcher, stopping that is a good start.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49481453)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 3:18 PM
Author: Concupiscible Nursing Home Mood

I went onto nofap over 8 years ago. It's been great. All kinds of crazy benefits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480558)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 3:36 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

I suspect that everyone who claims to do nofap is lying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49480622)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 12:34 PM
Author: Excitant sound barrier stag film

exactly. Its not possible and possibly bad for you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49483319)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 2:47 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Do you watch porn or use imagination? I think the rise of AI porn is going to be wild for men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49483722)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 6:38 PM
Author: carmine outnumbered national

yeah especially after marriage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49481328)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 8:25 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Wouldn't it be the opposite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49481786)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:47 PM
Author: carmine outnumbered national

lol ok junior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49484226)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 6:13 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Ok, I may be an idiot but I'm going to need you to explain this to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49487092)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 7:09 PM
Author: carmine outnumbered national

it's like fucking a man in the ass - you can explain until the cows come home, but ultimately you must experience it to truly understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49487188)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 7:04 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Well, you can stop fucking a man in the ass if you decide you don't like it. Stopping a marriage is, I hear, harder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49495078)



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Date: December 3rd, 2025 11:00 PM
Author: swashbuckling volcanic crater internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49482288)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 6:17 PM
Author: Flushed Electric Area Gaming Laptop

It wanes a bit when the intensity of the orgasm wanes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49487098)



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Date: December 5th, 2025 7:11 PM
Author: Cobalt community account rehab

if you don't, you get cancer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49487197)



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Date: December 6th, 2025 12:47 PM
Author: exciting pink piazza

Do you think this is really true? The studies maxed out at 21 orgasms per month, but if true, it could be that more would have been even better, and men should aim for more than once per day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805689&forum_id=2#49488533)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:07 PM
Author: swashbuckling volcanic crater internal respiration

the studies do seem to suggest there is some benefit emptying out the pipes

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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:21 PM
Author: comical glassy theater

if i go a week+ without nutting my jizz will be yellowed and obv unhealthy

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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:37 PM
Author: Big garnet striped hyena

When I was a kid I listened to Howard Stern and he complained that he thought this shit would die down as he got older but it didn’t. I think he was in his mid-50s then.

I’m in my early 40s and still nut at least one per day, ideally twice. Sometimes 3x. I mean, if you have the time, why not?

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Date: December 8th, 2025 10:52 PM
Author: maroon startling incel

on the assumption that the OP is a chick, I am masturbating right now

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