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Sim Glitch: Sandusky was innocent
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Date: March 20th, 2023 10:22 PM Author: bat shit crazy chestnut locus macaca https://medium.com/@crewsfrederick1/the-unspeakable-sandusky-5d699144e48d
Fred Crews has huge balls for writing about this shit |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:26 AM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse Ironically, unlike Sandusky.
Huge balls to write about his tiny balls. |
Date: March 20th, 2023 10:48 PM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse Wow. Convincing actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46077943) |
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Date: March 20th, 2023 11:30 PM Author: Smoky Blathering Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078101) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:29 AM Author: silver passionate goal in life pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079084) |
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Date: March 20th, 2023 11:38 PM Author: Exhilarant bat-shit-crazy tanning salon karate wasn't Fred Crews the guy who called bullshit on the "repressed memory" fraud that spawned the child abuse moral panic of the 1970s and 80s? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078123) |
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Date: March 20th, 2023 11:48 PM Author: Insecure Red Fat Ankles Round Eye http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5267707&mc=9&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078140) |
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Date: March 20th, 2023 11:58 PM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor lol damn this guy was completely innocent huh
so how many of these "boys" who straight up lied under oath about him raping them were niggers? |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:12 AM Author: indigo depressive So what was the motive for railroading him? Hatred of Paterno? Of football? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078222) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:29 AM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse Enormous settlement checks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078288) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:39 AM Author: cracking sneaky criminal For the “witnesses” sure, but they were just pawns and the money was just bait.
I mean what was the motive for the puppetmasters who orchestrated the whole thing?
A few greedy proles and sleazeball lawyers can’t pull something this huge off on their own - there had to be a source of real power behind it all to get the university as a whole to lay down and take the ruination of its reputation without much of a fight. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:45 AM Author: Lake disturbing location Not to mention get a judge who was intent on ensuring the defense couldn’t do its job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078328) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:47 AM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor read the essay he explains that part and how it happened (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078434) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 2:04 AM Author: Lake disturbing location I’m unsatisfied with anything in the essay as a complete explanation for how/why this all started.
I’m sure what he describes happened, but I’m equally sure that was just Act I of the play unfolding - I want to know who the writer and director of the play were. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 2:05 AM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor you aren't satisfied with the explanation that it was the attorney general and a few allies of his with aligned interests? he lays out the case pretty clearly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078448) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 2:09 AM Author: Lake disturbing location What were the “aligned interests”? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078457) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 2:11 AM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor read the essay dude you obviously didn't read it lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078463) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 2:16 AM Author: Lake disturbing location Read it twice now. Paste the text you feel is relevant here or stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078466) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 4:44 PM Author: Frozen Feces there was another article by the same author linked that spells out a hit by the PA governor and Louis Freeh, among others (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46080492) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:30 PM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor yeah i just checked again and the explanation of the bigger players is in the 2nd article
guy above can read that if he's really interested. i found the author's explanation to be pretty convincing and straightforward |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:33 PM Author: crystalline digit ratio trailer park Why though? (What was their beef with Paterno, PSU football, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46080612) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 3:13 AM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse My brother in Christ, I believe these were troubled boys who saw the best opportunity for a big payday (which they received) that life was ever likely to bring them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46082398) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:34 AM Author: Stirring step-uncle's house jewish hatred of goyim for a millennium of perceived slights (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078304) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:41 AM Author: cracking sneaky criminal That would be my guess as well but still curious about specifics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078321) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:02 PM Author: Dark halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079387) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:40 AM Author: Sticky Hot Garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078315) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:41 AM Author: ruddy laughsome address shit, so i guess he did do it after all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078322) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 12:03 PM Author: Sickened ruby den very conflicted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46083399) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 12:55 AM Author: bearded base shitlib “Moreover, there was an innocent explanation of what had startled him. Sandusky was known to shower openly with boys after workouts or games with them. That had been common practice in the recreation center operated by his own father — his model of charitable conduct. When Jerry “horsed around” (however inadvisedly) with youths in public showers, he was taking the role of their buddy or big brother.”
Just some playroom hotdog . NBD |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 1:31 AM Author: Mauve violent sanctuary Why did the coach need to shower at all? He wasn't the one getting hot and sweaty on the field. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46082321) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 3:15 AM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse He wasn’t coaching, he was there on his own time working out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46082400) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 12:13 PM Author: bearded base shitlib The author argues that Sandusky was physically frail and incapable of sexual acts but admits that Sandusky was fit enough to nude “wrestle” 14 year olds in the showers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46083459) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:19 AM Author: haunting skinny woman heaven wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078413) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:44 AM Author: ruddy laughsome address a lot of interesting points here, but the author plays it pretty fast and loose at times, undermining his credibility. “this 14yo deeply troubled boy in the foster system contemporaneously talked about his HETEROSEXUAL proclivities, so why would he EVER be molested by an older, powerful authority figure who had a lot of say-so over his life and was known to horseplay with boys in the showers?!” |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:28 AM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse Did that particular boy claim “more than 25” incidents of performing fellatio on Sandusky? That’s a bit more than just “being molested”. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078516) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 9:15 AM Author: Grizzly alcoholic liquid oxygen Sometimes the Devil has to do something like frame Sandusky to prove he’s still “got it.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46078878) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:28 AM Author: Concupiscible purple ape school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079080) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:34 AM Author: 180 mentally impaired nursing home pocket flask Nobody knows or cares (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079094) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:42 AM Author: deranged quadroon institution i can't imagine why a guy with Fred Crews's phenotype would want to write multiple 5000-10000 word screeds raging against the "sex panic" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079123) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:47 AM Author: Motley national He was sucking a cub scouts dick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079138) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:48 AM Author: Ivory space rigpig kind of tldr, but when you gather 8 or 10 men willing to testify they were raped, i lean hard guilty.
the possible explanations for why they would lie: settlement money, or personal derangement.
having 10 young men in your orbit who are so deranged they would go forward with rape lies is pretty unimaginable.
so... settlement money? JS was no Michael Jackson or Cosby, he was a MINOR MINOR celebrity in a very local region. Can you name the PSU DC now?
So there was no great fame in lying about being a victim. There was, probably, a lot of stigma. Even in our gynocratized age, being a male rape victim cuts against cultural expectations for men.
So these guys all said fuck it, it's good money?
Hard to believe, but again I havent read the defense
my own tldr: if there are more than a few accusers of a minor public figure, without some wild context providing incentive to lie, he's probably very guilty
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:52 AM Author: ruddy laughsome address i’m skeptical of the article as a whole but these points were convincingly addressed:
“having 10 young men in your orbit who are so deranged they would go forward with rape lies is pretty unimaginable.”
sandusky was very deeply involved in funding and supporting a foster care organization. through this he was in contact with dozens if not hundreds of kids who are likely sexually maladjusted sociopaths.
“so... settlement money? JS was no Michael Jackson or Cosby, he was a MINOR MINOR celebrity in a very local region. Can you name the PSU DC now?”
penn (the ivy league school where sandusky coached) had a nine-figure settlement fund. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:55 AM Author: Ivory space rigpig just saying if i were a juror and heard 8 male witnesses all claim similar rape and the defense was "they are getting civil settlements, so none of it is true" i would still lean guilty.
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:55 AM Author: ruddy laughsome address i get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079172) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:14 PM Author: learning disabled glittery locale Manny Diaz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46080915) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:50 PM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081030) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:53 AM Author: Soul-stirring casino reading party He literally did not have functional testicles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079164) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:56 AM Author: Motley national Neither does spaceporn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079174) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:44 AM Author: massive brass business firm hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079329) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 1:42 AM Author: Umber talented regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46082329) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:57 AM Author: ruddy laughsome address seems like this could easily be an argument for the development of sexual pathologies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079182) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:18 AM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse And none of the kids who were supposedly raped/exposed to ever commented on having seen this obvious deformity, either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079250) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:13 AM Author: Multi-colored gunner i was honestly surprised that the crews essay seemed as reasonable as it did, given the media coverage that i vaguely remember was so overwhelming for guilty. i agree with your heuristic here, but if i were on the jury, i'd want to dive a lot deeper into all available material on the witnesses and testimony (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079235) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:52 AM Author: internet-worthy mahogany knife menage They got $118M bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079347) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:43 PM Author: self-absorbed parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081011) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:47 PM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor yep, they all said fuck it, it's good money. seems very cut and dry actually
you have to remember that these guys were all orphans with shitty anti-social genetics from "parents" who couldn't even be fucked to raise them. some of them even had criminal records
the guys who actually initially defended sandusky but then turned once the jewish lawyers showed them dollar signs makes it pretty clear what happened |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:48 PM Author: comical charcoal crotch stead Retard schtick?
Millions of dollars in payouts PSU was practically begging to give to any “accuser,” credible or not, doesn’t constitute “incentive to lie” in your view? |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:17 PM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081611) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:00 AM Author: spruce mind-boggling fanboi I believe that Sandusky was chomo and the evidence for that is overwhelming.
Having said that, the way that Penn State handed that crisis was absolutely shameful. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:42 AM Author: bat shit crazy chestnut locus macaca I think the whole point is that the "evidence" is largely bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079324) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:33 PM Author: spruce mind-boggling fanboi I was very close to this, and the evidence against Sandusky is most definitely not bullshit. Now, there were a lot of bullshit claims made against the University, but why not? They literally rolled over and opened the checkbook. I'm not sure that they contested any claim whatsoever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079778) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 2:55 PM Author: bat shit crazy chestnut locus macaca Just to take the most well known example, the incident that Mike McQueary "eyewitnessed" in the shower. It never happened. Categorically. Not only is there no evidence but the kid in the shower has been identified and has said it's utter bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46080113) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:31 PM Author: spruce mind-boggling fanboi That was one of two charges for which Sandusky was found not guilty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46080270) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 3:43 PM Author: bat shit crazy chestnut locus macaca Oh I realize that, the point is that this patently untrue sensationalist bullshit and the subsequent press coverage of the non-existent cover up by Penn State was published as unchallenged fact for months on end and is what led to everything that came after. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46080301) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:37 PM Author: crystalline digit ratio trailer park What was the “most definitely not bullshit” evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46080628) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:50 PM Author: comical charcoal crotch stead Link to the “overwhelming evidence”? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081027) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:51 PM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081031) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:01 AM Author: deranged quadroon institution Essay kinda skips over his own son pleading guilty to child porn
it also makes no sense that someone "almost devoid of testosterone" (Crews is in no position to meaningfully evaluate this) would be a three-sport athlete with masculine features and a normal male voice
you need look no further than today's tranny situation to conclude that lack of testosterone has little correlation to sexual deviance |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:02 AM Author: Motley national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079210) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:10 AM Author: Multi-colored gunner Jeffrey was an adopted son of Jerry, and sent naked pictures to 16 year old girls. While unfortunate and criminal, I don't believe it has a bearing on Jerry's guilt or innocence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079231) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 11:36 AM Author: bat shit crazy chestnut locus macaca With the Benefit of Hindsight the podcast did 60 hours on this. Starting it now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079318) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:36 PM Author: lemon razzle-dazzle wrinkle I always thought this was sketchy, especially w/r/t JoePa. Even if Sandusky was guilty I never saw the smoking gun showing that Paterno was implicated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079790) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 1:47 PM Author: spruce mind-boggling fanboi Louie Freeh pulled a 10-year old email out of the archives that was sent by someone other than Paterno which said something like, "Joe wants this resolved" or "Joe wants this to go away" and that was more or less the extent to which they could directly tie him to the situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46079850) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 5:02 PM Author: crystalline digit ratio trailer park I thought it was that McQueery told Joe and some other high-ups about the shower incident right after it “happened” and the smoking gun for all of them was that no one called the cops about it.
Of course since the shower incident never happened idk |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:40 PM Author: impressive range idiot I didn't read the essay, but to me the evidence against Sandusky is overwhelming. If you're not going to convict him, you may as well just say that pedophilia is okay because we're not going to convict you unless you live stream it or something.
Having said that, I have taken a lot of shit for defending Joe Paterno in this entire saga. The people who want to tar and feather him seem to think that that because he didn't personally investigate Sandusky and find out that he was a pedo, then Paterno was complicit. That's idiotic. Paterno is a football coach, not a cop. He reported the alleged abuse to his boss, which is exactly what anyone is supposed to do in that situation. If he did anything wrong, it was that he didn't call the cops based on a secondhand report that a longtime friend did something weird in the shower. If someone told one of my friends that I was a pedo, I would hope that the friend would do a little due diligence before calling the cops immediately. And that's what Paterno did: he told his boss, because he didn't want to call the cops based on a secondhand rumor but also didn't want to launch an investigation himself. Which was exactly what any kind of decent person would have done in that situation. |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:45 PM Author: self-absorbed parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081013) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:49 PM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor lol what a poast
"i didn't read a detailed summary of an argument i don't initially agree with on instinct, about a topic i know nothing about. in conclusion, the evidence against this argument that i don't agree with and know nothing about is overwhelming"
these are the people "voting" in our "democracy" |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 8:09 PM Author: impressive range idiot I'm supposed to read a 20,000 word piece by some conspiracy theorist that boils down to "I think 10 kids all lied about gay rape for no explicable reason"? Sorry, I am not that gullible, and I have better things to do with my time. It's really sad that the MAGA crowd now defends literal pedophiles if they think it will piss off "global capitalism" or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081075) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 8:11 PM Author: comical charcoal crotch stead Yup, a libpedo! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081079) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 8:22 PM Author: Lavender excitant forum private investor lol great shtick man you really "got" us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081110) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 7:51 PM Author: comical charcoal crotch stead Guessing you think there is also overwhelming evidence Jan 6 was worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11 combined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081032) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 2:38 PM Author: bistre cuckoldry Hard to believe so many turned against him though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46080046) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:20 PM Author: Buff odious community account crackhouse $$$ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081634) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:38 PM Author: Multi-colored gunner agreed--8 witnesses alleging abuse, plus one of his adopted kids who said he was ready to testify to the same but ultimately was not called. but also, given the number of players sandusky coached plus his second mile charity, the pool of people who could claim this is really big -- it only takes a small % who are troubled enough to falsely claim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081761) |
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Date: March 21st, 2023 10:51 PM Author: cerebral legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46081844) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 1:50 AM Author: Aromatic chapel volcanic crater why does xo love pedos so much? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46082340) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 3:16 AM Author: Bonkers histrionic spot This article convinced me that he did do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46082403) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 12:03 PM Author: Flatulent whorehouse Newsflash: Do NOT bring this up at work today. Is not a welcome question and most people are not interested in the truth or thinking critically about anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46083396) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 12:04 PM Author: ruddy laughsome address lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46083404) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 12:11 PM Author: Salmon State Black Woman Fuck too late I just blasted it out on the main all-company Slack channel (with the link to this xo thread 😟)
Update resume? |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 3:21 PM Author: bat shit crazy chestnut locus macaca Sandusky did nothing wrong! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46088347) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2023 12:07 PM Author: amethyst point legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#46136225) |
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Date: April 11th, 2024 11:29 PM Author: Honey-headed Deep Field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#47576153) |
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Date: June 26th, 2024 5:08 PM Author: Ultramarine thriller site Confirmed
http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13568915/Medical-evidence-Jerry-Sandusky-trial-Penn-State-football-coach-impoten.html |
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Date: August 30th, 2026 3:07 PM Author: White Privilege Log (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5310258&forum_id=2#50104208) |