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Sam Altman: maybe selling AI by tokens was a mistake (link)

https://x.com/businessinsider/status/2062211094450434219?s=6...
grizzly razzmatazz organic girlfriend
  06/04/26
american closed model providers are going to get their assho...
nudist milky spot
  06/04/26
no corp is gonna run chinese crap at enterprise scale
Impertinent apoplectic theater stage
  06/04/26
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Walnut institution
  06/04/26
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Stimulating cyan ticket booth
  06/04/26
Everything else is made in China. China provoded tons of ser...
Puce Electric Tank
  06/04/26
its more comparable to telecom prohibitions than importing r...
Impertinent apoplectic theater stage
  06/04/26
Why are the telecom prohibitons necessary if corp wouldn't u...
Puce Electric Tank
  06/04/26
the US government will just make it illegal to use chinese A...
exciting cheese-eating range liquid oxygen
  06/04/26
They are all distilled counterfeit garbage anyway
Walnut institution
  06/04/26
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Impertinent apoplectic theater stage
  06/04/26
yeah but he's right that a lot of companies would otherwise ...
exciting cheese-eating range liquid oxygen
  06/04/26
enterprise foundation models dont charge per token except fo...
Impertinent apoplectic theater stage
  06/04/26
They can just use cheap US models. What jobs really need fro...
Walnut institution
  06/04/26
they can't and won't
nudist milky spot
  06/04/26
ofc they can, the whole US economy is going to revolve aroun...
exciting cheese-eating range liquid oxygen
  06/04/26
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Impertinent apoplectic theater stage
  06/04/26
They can and won't.
Puce Electric Tank
  06/04/26
no, they can't. we are completely beholden to china wrt trad...
nudist milky spot
  06/04/26
This is all reasoning for the "won't" bucket. We c...
Puce Electric Tank
  06/04/26
has anyone tried coding with chinese models?
Scarlet corner
  06/04/26
Yeah it's not horrible but now that codex 5.5 is insane you ...
Walnut institution
  06/04/26
is it really that much cheaper or better than claude code?
Scarlet corner
  06/04/26
Yeah it's significantly cheaper Open AI appears to be heavil...
Walnut institution
  06/04/26
They nerfed codex usage limits massively on the 1st
Mahogany business firm
  06/04/26
How many times have people said "Have you ever tried us...
Puce Electric Tank
  06/04/26
I don't have coding needs (until I try to make a video game)...
Salmon old irish cottage
  06/04/26


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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:21 AM
Author: grizzly razzmatazz organic girlfriend

https://x.com/businessinsider/status/2062211094450434219?s=61

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914690)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:28 AM
Author: nudist milky spot

american closed model providers are going to get their assholds eaten out by low cost chinese models and are scared shitless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914700)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:28 AM
Author: Impertinent apoplectic theater stage

no corp is gonna run chinese crap at enterprise scale

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914701)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:35 AM
Author: Walnut institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914719)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:39 AM
Author: Stimulating cyan ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914742)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: Puce Electric Tank

Everything else is made in China. China provoded tons of services that use our data. There's no reason to think AI will be different unless the government prohibits it. Companies will always eventually go with the lowest cost thing that does the job at an enterprise level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914775)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:51 AM
Author: Impertinent apoplectic theater stage

its more comparable to telecom prohibitions than importing rubber trash cans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914792)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: Puce Electric Tank

Why are the telecom prohibitons necessary if corp wouldn't use them?

Because, like I said, they will use it unless it's prohibited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914797)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:32 AM
Author: exciting cheese-eating range liquid oxygen

the US government will just make it illegal to use chinese AI models

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914711)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:35 AM
Author: Walnut institution

They are all distilled counterfeit garbage anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914723)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:36 AM
Author: Impertinent apoplectic theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914726)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:37 AM
Author: exciting cheese-eating range liquid oxygen

yeah but he's right that a lot of companies would otherwise use them anyway because they're an order of magnitude cheaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914729)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:40 AM
Author: Impertinent apoplectic theater stage

enterprise foundation models dont charge per token except for frontier capabilities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914745)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: Walnut institution

They can just use cheap US models. What jobs really need frontier reasoning?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914800)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:38 AM
Author: nudist milky spot

they can't and won't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914736)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:43 AM
Author: exciting cheese-eating range liquid oxygen

ofc they can, the whole US economy is going to revolve around AI soon

they will be forced to even if they didn't want to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914757)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:44 AM
Author: Impertinent apoplectic theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914763)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: Puce Electric Tank

They can and won't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914777)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:17 PM
Author: nudist milky spot

no, they can't. we are completely beholden to china wrt trade and this is an important enough arms race that the chinese government would buttfuck us if we tried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49915036)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:04 PM
Author: Puce Electric Tank

This is all reasoning for the "won't" bucket. We certainly have the ability to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49916096)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: Scarlet corner

has anyone tried coding with chinese models?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914798)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:56 AM
Author: Walnut institution

Yeah it's not horrible but now that codex 5.5 is insane you can't really just go back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914803)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:00 PM
Author: Scarlet corner

is it really that much cheaper or better than claude code?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914820)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:02 PM
Author: Walnut institution

Yeah it's significantly cheaper Open AI appears to be heavily subsidizing the cost. It's like twice as cheap for input tokens and 20-40% cheaper on output depending which gpt pricing tier you aare using. Also not just for tokens for the 100 dollar plan on codex vs claude you get way more usage. Claude depletes faster during peak hours too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914828)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: Mahogany business firm

They nerfed codex usage limits massively on the 1st

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49915825)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:05 PM
Author: Puce Electric Tank

How many times have people said "Have you ever tried using a Xhinese X?" about a products that are now exclusively produced in China?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914841)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:53 PM
Author: Salmon old irish cottage

I don't have coding needs (until I try to make a video game). But I've used deepseek for a bunch of basic, non-legal shit, and it generally sucked

The only good point I can think of is that it wouldn't bullshit when it was caught not following the prompt or not pulling data. ChatGPT and most American models dig their heels in and seem to intentionally fuck up requests once they've been caught

An example is that I was using AI for some dividend screening help. Despite explicit instructions to conduct research by calculating yields based on the prior day's closing price, it would pull 3 and then make up the rest (about 7 in total). When called on it, it would admit to the problem of not pulling data. I would explicitly tell it to pull the data for all tickers to generate the yield data. It would regenerate the data but refuse to pull the actual data for multiple tickers each time.

After four rounds of this, it finally suggested starting all over with a clean prompt tomorrow

If the Chinese models can get better quality-wise, they will fucking eat these lazy American LLMs for lunch. But that day is not yet here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49915832)