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Will Tezos dump below ICO price? YES OR NO

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canary shrine keepsake machete
  07/05/18
Fma
Violent state
  07/05/18
Hopefully not before I get home
Violent state
  07/05/18
Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?
Pink mind-boggling crotch
  07/05/18
LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall be...
milky spectacular filthpig pocket flask
  07/05/18
But btc ico price? Maybe
know-it-all stead feces
  07/05/18
Would be pretty kooky
Aggressive stubborn death wish spot
  07/05/18
it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although peopl...
Flushed theater private investor
  07/05/18
Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky
Aggressive stubborn death wish spot
  07/05/18
Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option ...
narrow-minded new version
  07/05/18
You sound like a student or someone who has never worked out...
milky spectacular filthpig pocket flask
  07/06/18
Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion di...
narrow-minded new version
  07/06/18
Wow you sound cool and fun
Indigo Curious Hall
  07/06/18
Thanks bro
narrow-minded new version
  07/06/18
Do you have to return some video tapes?
Aggressive stubborn death wish spot
  07/06/18
Aka you pressed a button
Violent state
  07/06/18
Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more im...
narrow-minded new version
  07/06/18
lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and t...
Flushed theater private investor
  07/06/18
Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of prob...
narrow-minded new version
  07/06/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: ETH dunking on Skadde...
narrow-minded new version
  12/06/18
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bisexual provocative casino idea he suggested
  12/06/18
I literally cant unload this shit HITBTC is not taking de...
Violent state
  07/05/18
unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to...
Flushed theater private investor
  07/05/18
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Stirring principal's office persian
  07/05/18
i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pi...
narrow-minded new version
  07/06/18
Have u withdrawn?
Violent state
  07/06/18
Yes
narrow-minded new version
  07/06/18
May go for it tonight
Violent state
  07/06/18
You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw bu...
narrow-minded new version
  07/06/18
I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that...
narrow-minded new version
  07/05/18
highly bumpable poast right here
Aggressive stubborn death wish spot
  07/05/18
bumpable by me lol
narrow-minded new version
  07/06/18
Agreed
narrow-minded new version
  08/13/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM Author: a mitigated 180 hig...
narrow-minded new version
  12/06/18
When moon
Stirring principal's office persian
  07/05/18
LJL
Ivory elastic band dilemma
  07/08/18
I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have ...
narrow-minded new version
  07/08/18
Just do sell low and brag about it bro
Ivory elastic band dilemma
  07/08/18
Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market a...
narrow-minded new version
  07/08/18
I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year af...
Motley Resort
  07/08/18
My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it...
narrow-minded new version
  07/08/18
Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recog...
Ivory elastic band dilemma
  07/08/18
...
narrow-minded new version
  08/13/18
It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis
narrow-minded new version
  08/13/18
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Aggressive stubborn death wish spot
  07/08/18
lol dumbass
apoplectic exhilarant lodge
  07/08/18
This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x mor...
narrow-minded new version
  07/09/18
sup
narrow-minded new version
  08/02/18
Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh
Violent state
  08/13/18
Sup
narrow-minded new version
  08/13/18
Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,...
narrow-minded new version
  12/06/18
Very close to ICO BTC price
canary shrine keepsake machete
  07/05/18
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Sapphire Thriller Home
  07/06/18
Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #1...
Stirring principal's office persian
  07/08/18
ljl @ sellcucks
Floppy den
  07/08/18
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Sapphire Thriller Home
  07/08/18
recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achi...
Bat-shit-crazy Mental Disorder Turdskin
  07/08/18
Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down ...
Stirring principal's office persian
  07/18/18
Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway
Motley Resort
  07/18/18
I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking
very tactful impressive cruise ship
  07/19/18
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth ...
Sapphire Thriller Home
  07/19/18
https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-a...
very tactful impressive cruise ship
  07/19/18
Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now ...
Stirring principal's office persian
  08/13/18
I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not e...
narrow-minded new version
  08/13/18
oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right...
narrow-minded new version
  09/08/18
(fag)
Floppy den
  09/10/18
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Orange International Law Enforcement Agency Marketing Idea
  09/10/18
...
Aggressive stubborn death wish spot
  09/10/18
who was this?
brilliant cruel-hearted mad cow disease locus
  08/16/20
We have an answer folks!
narrow-minded new version
  12/06/18
Lol
bisexual provocative casino idea he suggested
  12/06/18
...
brilliant cruel-hearted mad cow disease locus
  08/15/20


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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: canary shrine keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367546)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: Violent state

Fma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367611)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:26 AM
Author: Violent state

Hopefully not before I get home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367614)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: Pink mind-boggling crotch

Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367748)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: milky spectacular filthpig pocket flask

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367778)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: know-it-all stead feces

But btc ico price? Maybe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367961)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Aggressive stubborn death wish spot

Would be pretty kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36368208)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: Flushed theater private investor

it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although people who bought in ETH are still way ahead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369555)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Aggressive stubborn death wish spot

Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370298)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option to flip them into bitcoin/ether. The “LOL” in all caps is especially precious.

The floor is 0.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370173)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: milky spectacular filthpig pocket flask

You sound like a student or someone who has never worked outside of litigation, so it's precious that you'd opine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373748)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:49 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion dilution model and fixed it because an analyst forgot to use run rate synergies to calculate pro forma EPS. you have no idea what I just said but it isn’t litigation lmao.

Remind me what you do again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374674)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: Indigo Curious Hall

Wow you sound cool and fun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374740)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Thanks bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374764)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Aggressive stubborn death wish spot

Do you have to return some video tapes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374870)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: Violent state

Aka you pressed a button

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375973)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more impressive than that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376121)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:41 PM
Author: Flushed theater private investor

lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and the fact that they brag about their MAD EXCEL SKILLZ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376187)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of problem solving skills, attention to detail and business sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376423)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:17 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM

Author: ETH dunking on Skadden Assoc (joeybank)

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358540)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: bisexual provocative casino idea he suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37359597)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:06 PM
Author: Violent state

I literally cant unload this shit

HITBTC is not taking deposits

gate.io does not allow USmos to withdraw

fuck my literal ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369857)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: Flushed theater private investor

unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to mitigate risk (and take nice profits if you bought in eth) you may as well just hodl for a while at this point. within five years it's either going to 0 or going to be relevant and worth a good amount. if you only have like 10-20k just let it roll.

plus this seems to be a common pattern for "serious" coins. ZIL immediately mooned hard and then cratered, but now it's holding stable. tezos just had an extended post-ICO moon phase because futures were around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369942)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:31 PM
Author: Stirring principal's office persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370020)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pie.

youre confusing the wink nod disclaimer for actually caring about excluding americans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372401)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:35 AM
Author: Violent state

Have u withdrawn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373793)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:50 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374678)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: Violent state

May go for it tonight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375967)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw but I got mine approved in a few hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376133)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that it ever existed now. Have fun asking when moon ad nauseaum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370182)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Aggressive stubborn death wish spot

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370316)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

bumpable by me lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372404)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610382)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM

Author: a mitigated 180

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358530)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:32 PM
Author: Stirring principal's office persian

When moon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370375)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: Ivory elastic band dilemma

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384896)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have involved myself in crypto and the long term value propostion is still trash. No one knows what its actually worth so of course the price swings wildly. I just wanted to take my 5x profit and wash off the stench of involving myself with this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36385633)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Ivory elastic band dilemma

Just do sell low and brag about it bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386056)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market alongside people making the most retarded investment arguments of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386730)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Motley Resort

I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year after holding this long. Tezos is favored to be listed by coinbase...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386738)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it given the regulatory risk. And the ongoing litigation feels like a dangling ax. Fuck that crypto is risky enough without that overhang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387219)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Ivory elastic band dilemma

Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recognize obvious signs of slippage from overselling, and then get MAF when it recovers, LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386934)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610389)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610386)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: Aggressive stubborn death wish spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387014)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM
Author: apoplectic exhilarant lodge

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387994)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:54 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x more than you ever will on crypto

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36389175)



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Date: August 2nd, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36542673)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: Violent state

Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609386)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610392)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM

Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358533)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 8:06 PM
Author: canary shrine keepsake machete

Very close to ICO BTC price

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370589)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 10:32 AM
Author: Sapphire Thriller Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374108)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 10:08 AM
Author: Stirring principal's office persian

Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #18 spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384494)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: Floppy den

ljl @ sellcucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384683)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:03 PM
Author: Sapphire Thriller Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386585)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:38 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Mental Disorder Turdskin

recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achieve similar gains

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387316)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: Stirring principal's office persian

Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down below ICO prices just yet

Currently at $2.34 or around 6X ICO price in $ and just passed BNB for the #17 spot and still only on one shitty exchange



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36455208)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: Motley Resort

Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36456958)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: very tactful impressive cruise ship

I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36459670)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: Sapphire Thriller Home

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36460934)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: very tactful impressive cruise ship

https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-and-nations-lyrics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36461956)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: Stirring principal's office persian

Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now I'm envisioning a future competing with Peterman on the lot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609332)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not exactly a group of genius hedge fund portfolio managers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610403)



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Date: September 8th, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: narrow-minded new version

oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right now! pls tell me more about the “fundamentals” of an “asset” with no apparent capacity to generate future cash flows. nah i’m just playing: doing so just perverts the concept of investment fundamentals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36770773)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: Floppy den

(fag)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783761)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 8:04 PM
Author: Orange International Law Enforcement Agency Marketing Idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783838)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Aggressive stubborn death wish spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36784244)



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Date: August 16th, 2020 4:41 PM
Author: brilliant cruel-hearted mad cow disease locus

who was this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#40765104)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: narrow-minded new version

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